Serving God?

[Roman]

Hello,
Thank you for this spiritual forum.
Have 2 questions:

1. Don't you think, that people should be serving God ? Having read the forum, it looks to me, that you are not serving God -  serving yourself instead.

2. How something can be spiritual if it is based on the material basis?
You do charge money for healings or readings. (I know, you offer a free reading, but other then that, you do charge the money.)
How can it be spiritual then? These are two opposites....Money & Spirituality.... Money is material - Spirituality - not.
For me, it eqates to your arm  asking money from your body for doing the job our arms do....Isn't it so?

Thank you for your answers.

[voicelis]

Hello,
Thank you for this spiritual forum.
Have 2 questions:

1. Don't you think, that people should be serving God ? Having read the forum, it looks to me, that you are not serving God -  serving yourself instead.

2. How something can be spiritual if it is based on the material basis?
You do charge money for healings or readings. (I know, you offer a free reading, but other then that, you do charge the money.)
How can it be spiritual then? These are two opposites....Money & Spirituality.... Money is material - Spirituality - not.
For me, it eqates to your arm  asking money from your body for doing the job our arms do....Isn't it so?

Thank you for your answers.

Hi Roman,
Thank you for joining us))

As to your questions....

Your questions feel quiet ritorical to me....What is God??  Who is God?  Who are we? We are just trying to spread what we think is Light, Love... We do not insist onour way to be the only real or the right one...There are many ways, which lead to the same door....We jsut try to share this way, and there are might be many more ways....

As to your second question:
What is material? What is spiritual? What is money? It is energy, dont you agree? It is energy which people put in there by their perceptions....Money is jsut means of exchange....People decided together, that money would be the form of exchange...It could be apples, or books, or clothes instead....
So, what is unspiritual in exchange? If healers of any kind would not have any exchange, they would nothing to give at the end... The spiritual law is very clear about the  fact, that there should be a balance of giving and recieving....

When you are asked to pay at the counter of the supermarket for your groceries, do you think that is unspiritual? No, it is just an exchange.... If you visit a doctor, do you see him as unspiritual, because you pay him for a visit?
Why then, if for example I am giving a Past Life regression session and in this moment opening myself up to be a vehicle as soul doctor, it should be seen unspiritual to be paid for?
As you know, everything is based on exchange, everything from relationships between humans to shopping....
I have spent many years studying, which took me not only mental and spiritual energy, but also time and monetary exchange. Is that unspiritual? No, it is jsut an exchange....
All is just a perception..... And all is as you see it.
In Reality, All is just is. NOthing is labled in reality, all jsut exists. So, if you want to lable things, then in your world, they will have lables...If you wouldnt want to lable things - then all would just be....

All is our choices, perceptions.....

And it is of course your right to choose what you want to see and how you percieve things....

I wish you so much love and light on your path, sending you many blessings and many Angels.

[Dyan]

Hi Roman. Thank you for your questions. They are good ones. And Tamara, thank you for your answer as well. Excellent.

Roman, I do believe that people should be serving God and that's what I'm doing here. I believe that's what Tamara is doing here. I believe that's why people are coming here. They are coming to find a way to connect with God and with angels. If it looks to you  otherwise, that's OK because that is your perception. And we all get to have whatever perceptions we want to have here in the earthly illusion that we live in. It just isn't my perception.

I've been serving God since ever I can remember. I have done everything that has been asked of me.  I was asked to build this site, all of my work that you see here, and more, and this forum. I have done so. It is always my hope that this brings people closer to God, rather than farther apart. This is my time, energy, love, light, spirit, and resources here. And recently, Tamara's too. That's what's here. That's what's shining out here. I don't see how this is serving myself, but if you can tell me how, I'm listening.

As to your second question about how something can be spiritual if it is based on the material...first of all, that isn't what the basis is here. The site and everything on here is deeply rooted in the spiritual. All of it is designed to bring people closer to their spirits and the spirit of God and the spirit of angels. All of the tools that I've created are for the purpose of connecting to God.

We are spirit living in the illusion of these earthly bodies for the purpose of learning how to love. All things material are illusions that are necessary in order for us to dwell here in the physical illusion.

When a healer or reader or channeler charges for a reading or whatever it is they are doing, they are not charging for anything spiritual. They are charging for their time. It is no different than you or someone else going to a job and in exchange for your time and effort, you get something back probably in the form of money. Money is simply energy and it is what we on this planet have now chosen as a means of exchange. This could be anything. It could be pieces of lint. But we have chosen to exchange with pieces of paper.

It is human perception about what those pieces of paper represent that causes the distortion. To some, these pieces of paper equate to self-worth. To some they are evil. To some they are the root of all evil. But truly, they are none of those. They are basically an illusion whose power is fueled by human perception.

You don't say what your religion is, so I'm going to generalize here. Do we pay our priests with money? Do we pay our rabbis with money? Do we pay other spiritual people in some way?  We pay them for their time and energy and exchange of resources. Sometimes we pay them with money/pieces of paper. Sometimes a church provides a house for a priest, minister, or rabbi to live in. Sometimes they are given a car, or whatever. These are physical, material things. My point is that there is an exchange of some sort. The exchange is a universal law. And that law no one here made. It was made by God.

All that I need comes to me. I'm not attached to anything coming back to me as pieces of paper. Over the years people have paid me in all sorts of different ways. They've paid me with Beanie Baby angels, and warm, freshed baked banana bread, and bottles of holy water, and rocks, and crystals, and music, and books, and cards and notes, and flowers and smiles, hugs, and friendship. It's all ok. It's simply an exchange. Now I have an entire house full of angels, many, many fond memories, and many things that are precious to my heart. They all represent the Love that I have been so blessed to have in my life. To me, the are evidence of God in my life. It's more than a fair exchange.

Welcome to our forum, Roman. I'm glad you are here.

Many blessings to you,

Dyan

[Roman]

Dyan, Tamara.
Thank you for the answers.

My religion is Krishna religion.

My point is: when I go to a house of Krishna - everything is free,  in monetory terms.
The service is free, nobody asks the money at the entrance as it is done so often in other churches, you are given a reading which is free and very deep and which is opening your soul, after there is a big feast and the food you are getting is free. If you want to learn cooking this food, you will be taught for free, etc, etc....
But you are not forced to pay for anything.

If for example I am going to the site of Angel Listener, I simply see: if I want to have a reading, or I want any other spiritual help, I need to pay for it in monetary exchange.
I am with you on exchange. I am just not with you on nessesary monetory exchange.
And this is the reason I asked those 2 questions. Serving God & spiritual vica material.
When a reading or healing is done, and the money is being charged, my perception, as you name it is, that in this moment the reader is serving himself (earning money)....

I do want you to understand me correctly . It is not my point to accuse you or judge you. As many others, I am just looking for my path and the only way to find the path is to ask questions and then take it or leave it, as you said.

Thank you for your patience.

[Dyan]

Hi Roman:

Once again, I am very glad you are here and your questions are wonderful. I understand completely.

Now, let's say we go to the site of Tamara the Angel Listener and she is, as you say, charging money for her time and/or spiritual guidance. Is there another way to exchange with her for these services? I can't really speak for her, but I suspect that yes, there is. I suspect that she, like I am, is willing to and has exchanged with other means rather than the currency of money. All that a person needs comes to them if they are open to it. But logistically, since most of those seeking her guidance do not live in the same village, town, state, or even the same country as she does, then money becomes perhaps a universally acceptable form of exchange between the parties.

Now where the distortion comes in regarding money is with a belief system that says money is bad or money is not to be exchanged for spiritual services. I mean where did that underlying belief system come from? Why is this so? Who decided that money was not to be exchanged in this way? That's really the question here and it's the underlying foundation of what you're asking. So, one would really have to study where that came from and then decide if they believe it or not. Belief systems are taught to us. Each individual must decide what resonates as truth for them and what doesn't. Sometimes belief systems are the glue that holds things together and sometimes they are the thing that tears people apart.

I also want to point out that God didn't separate us. We separated ourselves into these different religions and belief systems. His idea and wish and intention was that we would come to see that everything is one. In the same way, I don't see that spiritual services should not be exchanged with money. It really is all a matter of personal belief systems. One person's belief system may tell them that is wrong and someone else's may tell them that is perfectly fine. But bottom line is that truly it is all an exchange.

Excellent questions. I love this discussion! I hope it helps.

Dyan